Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. I think a hit to Springfield sales should get them leaning on the IFMA (who should be facing a hit to subscribers) enough for the IFMA to not fold in the future. CEODennis Reese hasntresponded to a request for comment or a further statement beyond the one he released Thursday night. He kept his marginal Mini-14 from hitting the list, selling out the gun owner in the process! I think probably not. Olympic Arms continued this legacy with its OA-93, OA-96 and OA-98 models. Lots of work. Bill Ruger retired from the company in 2000 and died in 2002. Aluminum Mags Just Starting At $14.00 At Rock River Arms. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Rock River Arms)[14] or the ArmaLite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 mm NATO and .223 Remington equally well. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. The law doesnt get past the senate without Springfields cooperation. A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. I dont expect everyone to feel that way. So many good options, why buy from jackasses. I hope they go out of business and leave the dishonesty to our opponents. More recently, they do this big Saint countdown/reveal that just ends up being Another Entry-Level AR-15, just what the market needed. Most places, its still over $1500. Even if its expensive, SA is in a better position to pay the fee than Hank and Ethels gun shop. I have talked to people in person in TN that were overjoyed at having Beretta move there. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. Are you reading-impaired? I am not positive, but didnt Beretta get so pissed with Maryland that they moved everything, or is it still on going? Nothing unethical about this practice. Heres a basic synopsis of the original company; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history. How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? I used to have a TRP. Yuge. Shocking I know. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? Folks like me are willing to kill for them. Good luck RRA. I see how you fired a shot across IFMAs bow last week. You can bet our sport; Henry wouldnt have gone along with that. F them. They are more than welcome in southern Indiana. The XD and Saint are good guns, but they really arent all that different from a lot of other good guns on the market. And yes, they are actually closer to Iowa than to Chicago. I know I wont be buying anything else from springfield armory. Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. How is it that they even survived to change in the first place? Tell us more about your experience in running a business. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. This says a lot about the people running the company. James Jeffrey, the author's friend, Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. Imagine, a corrupt Illinois politician! Springfield for intention; RRA for negligence. Everyone here is minding our business, because its our business where our money goes. I dont buy imported guns so SA & RRA are not going to loose any sales because of me. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. It weighs 10.2 pounds empty and is 43.5 inches long. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. Ive never had an issue with CTD in a decade. see: gasoline supply during any natural disaster where the govt threatens to prosecute profiteers. Couple of Butler Buildings, concrete pad to support machinery loading, movers and a power hookup. If youve already implemented them, great. They ONLY DO WHAT THEIR CLIENTS TELL THEM TO DO. Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. CTD does our best to price our products at market value. This is income tax refund time. The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. IRS records have also been found that shows Reese is on the board of IFMA. September 30, 2010 By Greg Rodriguez. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. I have family that works in the town. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. Hence why, even with Democrats holding a super-majority in both our House and Senate, and a rabidly anti-gun Governor, we held the line even post-Newtown. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. This is a digital day/night scope. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. Springfield is DEAD to me. Please, spend your money where you want. Enjoy shooting it, and the second one if you buy one. We do not need traitors in our midst. Good for them, too. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. Which would help with elimination if in the future. Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. But theyve already heard from their customers about the IFMA sell-out. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. How did the unveiling of the new pistol go? What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. And rra. I have a BM-59 kit that still needs to be built. Not a smart move in a buyers market, or any really. They were charging $100 for a 30 round mag during the panic. The company is based in Genesco Illinois, near Chicago. Did Springfield get shouted down at their own party? They will now go to the top so I can wear them out and use the warranty. I totally agree Travis. January 2023. Robert, and we, the honest and dedicated advocates of the 2A and gun owners stand by TTAG in this. This just proves that point. Ive bought 4 guns in the last year and a half since they opened their store. This is going to be really bad for RRA and Springfield. One of the few cases of sincere contrition. The licensing fee? (And I can guarantee he would never speak to me like that in person.). My favorites in their calibers, cherished in my collections. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. As if they want to implode. I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. Damn This is turning into that mob with the torches looking for Frankenstein. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. Illinois acts like an evil, independant country when it comes to our Second Amendment rights, ignoring law and constantly jockeying for ways to squelch our right of self-protection through our right to bear arms. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. Indiana has a good climate for manufacturers of firearms, and I wouldnt mind seeing a few more ffls open up shop near me in Northwest Indiana, either. To whom will they sell? Ive never had better customer service with any other business. Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. RRA and Springfield can suck my dong, they will never get a penny from me. Performance Tuned. Ruger sold us out on the 94 AWB and it is well documented. Great gun. Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. This product has an average rating of 4 stars out of 5 stars from 3 ratings. Or in the General Assembly. As for furniture, the BT 9 R9 Competition comes with a Hogue overmolded pistol grip and a four-position adjustable Rock River Arms buttstock. When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. The Springfields looked to be a good value. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. Thank God we have a Rural King now here local. You wont be able to pull a fast one and expect to not get called out on it. If IFMA had stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the NRA-ILA, the Illinois State Rifle Association, Guns Save Lifeand the National Shooting Sports Foundation working as a team to oppose this egregiousbill wed have had a good chance of depriving anti-gunners of a badly needed win. Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. As has been said by numerous others, that Springer I had thought about buying just got thrown under the bus. Might see if you can find one to test out. Czech Republic makes good guns,like CZs. For a while there, post SAFE-ACT passage, it looked like 10-round (I know, right) mags were going to be outlawed. That is amazingly The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. The company SHOULD be boycotted even if they shuffle management. Fight it. Whats more, Larson seems genuinely appalled by what happened. Kahr moved out of NY. This is how capitalism works. The .308-caliber LAR-8 is plenty of gun for big-game hunting. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. Until we destroy that party America will continue to be destroyed from within. Its not just selling, genius. RRA donated money as well I think they knew about stuff going on, but want to pretend they did not. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. thats what Illinois is hoping for stand our ground, Springfield got me right in my Grip Zone with this move, bu-bye SA. Wrong. and thats where the idea of 10 round limit for magazines originated,right from the mouth of Bill Ruger. From what I gathered from this article and all the information I viewed about this organization its hard to say just how much control SA and RRA has over the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. Somehow, I get the idea the House will be a cakewalk for any anti-gun bill compared to the Senate, which this one has already passed. Gun owners have good memories, it will take a year but Springfield like Target will notice their mistake on their Revenue numbers and blame the weather, the president, insert excuse here. The Springfield name is going to carry an odor, no matter how good a particular firearm might be. Maybe there is a Mrs. Reese or someone or something burning cash on the side (gambling, drugs, who knows) that is consuming profit faster than SA can generate it. The vocal retards who screamed about this conveniently ignored that last part. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. Im appalled that Rock River thinks that we are that gullible.. That kind of thing actually happens all the time in lobbying. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. Thanks for Nothing SA. As the market changes so does our pricing. Wasnt sold on DAO until I shot it. Some mightsay IFMAs change of heart might not have made a definitive difference. Magpul moved. After the 2004 sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, AR pistols developed rapidly and have become popular. Out of stock Compare. They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. Springfield Armory had two, and their now-fired lobbyist held the fourth IFMA directorship. Anyone who tries will come out worse for the experience. When I explained that sales were still legal before the SAFE Act deadline went into force, they still refused. Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. My time stinks apparently. They profess innocence at this point, lets see if their actions match their words. I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. They can spout their support of the 2A all day, just like Shannon Watts does, but its just words. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Lightweight Mountain Rifle | MT1800X 5.56 NATO (223 Rem), 16" Chrome-Moly Lightweight BBL, Semi-Automatic, 6-Position Black Stock, Black Finish, RRA Lightweight, 30+1 Rds. See below for more information. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. Do they somehow know the licensing scheme is going to be corrupt or extremely expensive? They have a good ongoing business, why jeopardize it? Get a Dan Wesson instead. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? An American voting for a Democrat I have a Rock River PDS carbine. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. After the event I hadnt seen a shipping notification. Brownells, Midway, Primary arms, Rainer, Wing Tactical, and SG Ammo are my favorite online retailers. Gun owners should have bankrupted Ruger immediately, but they didnt. The NRA would likely throw you and your fliers in the dumpster. Colona, IL (May 2020) Rock River Arms, one of the industry leaders in AR-platform firearms, expands its line of defensive semi-autos with the introduction of the RRAGE 10.5-inch pistol. Ive spoken with a couple of bigger dealers in Illinois in the past 24 hours. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. I swear its getting hard to keep track of them all by memory. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. Not a nice odor. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. As for Springfield Armory, Im really sorry to see them cross over to the dark side. Springfield Armory today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Ive heard of them canceling orders. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. when supply cant meet demand, then the price increases.. this draws more suppliers into the market to meet demand and you see the price decrease. We feel that IFMAs WebRock River Arms AR15 Uppers for Sale at Joe Bob Outfitters! So, S and W are also dead to me. As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. Or cameras? When the Maryland Leftistlature passed the odious Gun Safety Act of 2013, making it illegal to purchase many of the firearms made by the venerable Beretta concern, they responded by building their new facility in Tennessee, giving Maryland a stalwart raised middle finger and taking a considerable amount of tax revenue with them.. Ive not the least doubt that the rest of Beretta will eventually follow. Now they will pay the price. However, the R-51 is a bear to clean and still hasnt proven itself totally for CC, coming off its well documented ill fated Gen 1 launch and Remingtons continued reliability issues. But I wont EVER support a company who actively supports an infringement of any kind. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. 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